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Description
What is failing
The Orleans routing grain's route-dispatch pool (capped at 64 concurrent legs) saturates in short bursts across all portal pods: ~61–63 legs sit queued waiting for a pool slot while subscribing reads 0–1, i.e. the pool's slots are all held by legs that are past their subscribe and churning fast. Route dispatches (hub→destination stream routing) are momentarily queued behind the pool cap, adding latency to stream fan-out during bursts.
Probable cause
Pool sizing, not stuck legs — high confidence. The log line itself provides the discriminator: in every sample the oldest leg in flight is 4–28 ms. A leak or slot-never-returned would show a minutes-old leg; every leg being young means the silo is absorbing the load and the fixed 64-slot cap is simply below the burst rate of multi-tenant route fan-out (the samples show unrelated destinations across many tenants — _*_Access, _*_Entitlements, _*_GitSync, cache — being multiplexed concurrently). This is the "load, not leak" branch of the diagnostic the log site documents (see referenced issues #5009/#5018 for channel/pool-gauge semantics). Secondary possibility worth ruling out: a ThreadPool starvation on the silo inflating slot-hold time — but the millisecond-age legs argue against it.
Impact
Transient: 8 occurrences over a ~4-minute window on 2026-09-22 across 4 portal pods, self-draining (later lines show the pool cycling). No stuck legs, no evidence of lost deliveries. Worst-case effect is added dispatch latency during fan-out bursts. Note: this is one of a large family of sibling incidents opened at the same log site over 2026-09-21/22 (the per-activation episode id in the message makes each activation a distinct fingerprint), so the aggregate signal is much larger than this single incident — a human should consider consolidating them.
Where to look
MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain (the [ROUTE] Routing back-pressure log site) — specifically the dispatch-pool sizing/semaphore cap and whether it should be per-destination or load-adaptive rather than a fixed 64. The routing-pool gauges (waiting for a pool slot, subscribing) and the episode-stamp drain logic described in the log message are the instrumentation to follow. (No indexed source for this grain was findable in the mesh search — starting point is the log category itself.)
Evidence
| Fingerprint | 25de980dfca290f6 |
| Category | MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain |
| Severity | Critical |
| Namespace | memex-cloud |
| Pods | memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-qnznf, memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-hn28s, memex-portal-deployment-58f7cdffc5-wpg9m, memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-4mwln |
| Occurrences | 8 |
| First seen | 2026-09-22 11:35:33Z |
| Last seen | 2026-09-22 11:39:32Z |
| Routing | not determined — no configured route matches the category MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain. This repository is the configured fallback, not a finding about who owns the fault; the category names the LOGGER, which may not be the subject. |
Recent log lines
2026-09-22 11:35:50Z memex-portal-deployment-58f7cdffc5-wpg9m crit: MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain[0]
[ROUTE] Routing back-pressure [39154ad0#1 started 2026-09-22T11:35:50.8052638Z]: 64 route dispatches in flight (reporting threshold 64); ordered channels queued 39 over 1 stream destination(s), deepest per-channel queue 1, routing pool subscribing 0, waiting for a pool slot 10; oldest leg in flight 28 ms — stream-routed → cache/7BNwHZYgvUuKu1j3KqT9Cg (delivery KzNU7ECMNkm-tRh4DzcCoQ). Latest dispatch target cache/7BNwHZYgvUuKu1j3KqT9Cg — the address that happened to cross the threshold, NOT a diagnosis. A slot is held from dispatch until the leg terminates, INCLUDING the unbounded wait for a ThreadPool thread before the leg's own timeouts start, so a CPU-starved silo raises this with nothing stuck. A CHANNEL is (destination, stream), so a deepest queue of 1 or more means legs of the SAME stream are blocked behind one another (head-of-line within one channel); 0 means nothing is waiting on anything, so read it as load. Many channels over FEW destinations is a multiplexer hub draining in parallel, which is load too — before issue #5009 those legs shared one channel and read as head-of-line. 🚨 THE TWO POOL GAUGES ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND ONLY ONE SEES THE WAIT NAMED ABOVE — issue #5018. 'subscribing' counts legs inside their SUBSCRIBE PROLOGUE only, so a leg still waiting for a ThreadPool thread and a leg already past its subscribe BOTH read 0 there; 'waiting for a pool slot' is the gauge that sees the pre-subscribe wait. High while subscribing is below the pool's cap is a THREAD shortage; both near zero means the legs are past their subscribe and the wait is downstream I/O. 🚨 READ THE OLDEST LEG FIRST: it is the only load-vs-leak discriminator available from a SINGLE line — every leg young is load the silo is absorbing, one leg minutes old is a slot that never came back and the label names it — whereas the episode stamp below needs a SECOND line to say anything. 🚨 Deepest is sampled AT THE CROSSING, so li…[truncated]
2026-09-22 11:36:03Z memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-qnznf crit: MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain[0]
[ROUTE] Routing back-pressure [5f0370f2#4 started 2026-09-22T11:36:03.8046176Z]: 64 route dispatches in flight (reporting threshold 64); ordered channels queued 0 over 0 stream destination(s), deepest per-channel queue 0, routing pool subscribing 0, waiting for a pool slot 63; oldest leg in flight 5 ms — dispatch → DoublePendulum/_Access/jacky.enciso_Access (delivery Dg-XjicZH0-CDDsvtng0aQ). Latest dispatch target Northwind/_Access/gregc1473_Access — the address that happened to cross the threshold, NOT a diagnosis. A slot is held from dispatch until the leg terminates, INCLUDING the unbounded wait for a ThreadPool thread before the leg's own timeouts start, so a CPU-starved silo raises this with nothing stuck. A CHANNEL is (destination, stream), so a deepest queue of 1 or more means legs of the SAME stream are blocked behind one another (head-of-line within one channel); 0 means nothing is waiting on anything, so read it as load. Many channels over FEW destinations is a multiplexer hub draining in parallel, which is load too — before issue #5009 those legs shared one channel and read as head-of-line. 🚨 THE TWO POOL GAUGES ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND ONLY ONE SEES THE WAIT NAMED ABOVE — issue #5018. 'subscribing' counts legs inside their SUBSCRIBE PROLOGUE only, so a leg still waiting for a ThreadPool thread and a leg already past its subscribe BOTH read 0 there; 'waiting for a pool slot' is the gauge that sees the pre-subscribe wait. High while subscribing is below the pool's cap is a THREAD shortage; both near zero means the legs are past their subscribe and the wait is downstream I/O. 🚨 READ THE OLDEST LEG FIRST: it is the only load-vs-leak discriminator available from a SINGLE line — every leg young is load the silo is absorbing, one leg minutes old is a slot that never came back and the label names it — whereas the episode stamp below needs a SECOND line to say anything. 🚨 Deepest is sampled AT THE CR…[truncated]
2026-09-22 11:37:15Z memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-qnznf crit: MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain[0]
[ROUTE] Routing back-pressure [5f0370f2#5 started 2026-09-22T11:37:15.3126838Z]: 64 route dispatches in flight (reporting threshold 64); ordered channels queued 0 over 0 stream destination(s), deepest per-channel queue 0, routing pool subscribing 1, waiting for a pool slot 62; oldest leg in flight 6 ms — dispatch → FractalStars/_Entitlements/v-ramavakita (delivery A_CxRvcJu0yanjmY8KVKYg). Latest dispatch target RolePlay/_Entitlements/pierre35 — the address that happened to cross the threshold, NOT a diagnosis. A slot is held from dispatch until the leg terminates, INCLUDING the unbounded wait for a ThreadPool thread before the leg's own timeouts start, so a CPU-starved silo raises this with nothing stuck. A CHANNEL is (destination, stream), so a deepest queue of 1 or more means legs of the SAME stream are blocked behind one another (head-of-line within one channel); 0 means nothing is waiting on anything, so read it as load. Many channels over FEW destinations is a multiplexer hub draining in parallel, which is load too — before issue #5009 those legs shared one channel and read as head-of-line. 🚨 THE TWO POOL GAUGES ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND ONLY ONE SEES THE WAIT NAMED ABOVE — issue #5018. 'subscribing' counts legs inside their SUBSCRIBE PROLOGUE only, so a leg still waiting for a ThreadPool thread and a leg already past its subscribe BOTH read 0 there; 'waiting for a pool slot' is the gauge that sees the pre-subscribe wait. High while subscribing is below the pool's cap is a THREAD shortage; both near zero means the legs are past their subscribe and the wait is downstream I/O. 🚨 READ THE OLDEST LEG FIRST: it is the only load-vs-leak discriminator available from a SINGLE line — every leg young is load the silo is absorbing, one leg minutes old is a slot that never came back and the label names it — whereas the episode stamp below needs a SECOND line to say anything. 🚨 Deepest is sampled AT THE CROSSING…[truncated]
2026-09-22 11:39:00Z memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-4mwln crit: MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain[0]
[ROUTE] Routing back-pressure [d8c7feee#2 started 2026-09-22T11:39:00.1701158Z]: 64 route dispatches in flight (reporting threshold 64); ordered channels queued 0 over 0 stream destination(s), deepest per-channel queue 0, routing pool subscribing 0, waiting for a pool slot 61; oldest leg in flight 5 ms — dispatch → ICloud/_GitSync (delivery AA4Uh-LKaUmq26oc_wSELA). Latest dispatch target AppleWeather/_GitSync — the address that happened to cross the threshold, NOT a diagnosis. A slot is held from dispatch until the leg terminates, INCLUDING the unbounded wait for a ThreadPool thread before the leg's own timeouts start, so a CPU-starved silo raises this with nothing stuck. A CHANNEL is (destination, stream), so a deepest queue of 1 or more means legs of the SAME stream are blocked behind one another (head-of-line within one channel); 0 means nothing is waiting on anything, so read it as load. Many channels over FEW destinations is a multiplexer hub draining in parallel, which is load too — before issue #5009 those legs shared one channel and read as head-of-line. 🚨 THE TWO POOL GAUGES ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND ONLY ONE SEES THE WAIT NAMED ABOVE — issue #5018. 'subscribing' counts legs inside their SUBSCRIBE PROLOGUE only, so a leg still waiting for a ThreadPool thread and a leg already past its subscribe BOTH read 0 there; 'waiting for a pool slot' is the gauge that sees the pre-subscribe wait. High while subscribing is below the pool's cap is a THREAD shortage; both near zero means the legs are past their subscribe and the wait is downstream I/O. 🚨 READ THE OLDEST LEG FIRST: it is the only load-vs-leak discriminator available from a SINGLE line — every leg young is load the silo is absorbing, one leg minutes old is a slot that never came back and the label names it — whereas the episode stamp below needs a SECOND line to say anything. 🚨 Deepest is sampled AT THE CROSSING, so like the in-flight count it i…[truncated]
2026-09-22 11:39:32Z memex-portal-deployment-7bc86fb6f-qnznf crit: MeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain[0]
[ROUTE] Routing back-pressure [8bbe143a#1 started 2026-09-22T11:39:32.0317139Z]: 64 route dispatches in flight (reporting threshold 64); ordered channels queued 0 over 0 stream destination(s), deepest per-channel queue 0, routing pool subscribing 0, waiting for a pool slot 63; oldest leg in flight 4 ms — dispatch → sglauser/_Install/AppleMusic (delivery GUsuBakyw0OH564NeBtu2Q). Latest dispatch target thomager12/_Install/Training — the address that happened to cross the threshold, NOT a diagnosis. A slot is held from dispatch until the leg terminates, INCLUDING the unbounded wait for a ThreadPool thread before the leg's own timeouts start, so a CPU-starved silo raises this with nothing stuck. A CHANNEL is (destination, stream), so a deepest queue of 1 or more means legs of the SAME stream are blocked behind one another (head-of-line within one channel); 0 means nothing is waiting on anything, so read it as load. Many channels over FEW destinations is a multiplexer hub draining in parallel, which is load too — before issue #5009 those legs shared one channel and read as head-of-line. 🚨 THE TWO POOL GAUGES ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND ONLY ONE SEES THE WAIT NAMED ABOVE — issue #5018. 'subscribing' counts legs inside their SUBSCRIBE PROLOGUE only, so a leg still waiting for a ThreadPool thread and a leg already past its subscribe BOTH read 0 there; 'waiting for a pool slot' is the gauge that sees the pre-subscribe wait. High while subscribing is below the pool's cap is a THREAD shortage; both near zero means the legs are past their subscribe and the wait is downstream I/O. 🚨 READ THE OLDEST LEG FIRST: it is the only load-vs-leak discriminator available from a SINGLE line — every leg young is load the silo is absorbing, one leg minutes old is a slot that never came back and the label names it — whereas the episode stamp below needs a SECOND line to say anything. 🚨 Deepest is sampled AT THE CROSSING, so like the …[truncated]
Re-addressed by the current identity function: this incident inherited e4a97855ab595beb (Systemorph/MeshWeaver.Plugins#1796). Those nodes are superseded and will not fold, file or comment again.
Opened automatically from Admin/_LogIncident/25de980dfca290f6. Recurrences are folded into this issue rather than opening new ones.
Activity
rbuergi commentedon Sep 22, 2026
Closing as a duplicate of #5118 — the fingerprint-split flood.
Why this is a duplicate. Every one of these comes from the same log site —
[ROUTE] Routing back-pressure, categoryMeshWeaver.Hosting.Orleans.RoutingGrain— split into one issue per grain activation. The 8-hex activation id survived normalization (a0e2984b→a0e2{n}b):HexBlobrequired 16+ chars, andNumber()then masked only the digit-run preceded by a digit, leaving a per-activation residue in the hash.Measured over 101 verbatim bursts drawn from 29 issues, covering 42 activation ids: the old parser yields 41 distinct fingerprints, the current parser yields 1.
The fix is already merged in MeshWeaver.Plugins — #2165 (
MixedHexId), #2167, #2168 (positional episode/target masking) and #2218 (the portal re-parses raw samples, instead of hashing text a stale watcher already masked).It is not live yet. The control instance is sealed on an older set because the Plugins Portal image rebuild workflow fails at its GitHub App token step —
actions: writeis not granted to the installation — so core's rebuild is never dispatched. Until that is granted, new split issues will keep arriving, and an issue whose activation is still alive may reopen here.Not closed by this. The underlying routing condition — cache-destination head-of-line blocking versus ThreadPool starvation — is a real defect and stays open in #5118. The normaliser itself is tracked in #5270 and #5271.
rbuergi commentedon Sep 22, 2026
Why this is its own issue, and what stops the next one — posted on each RoutingGrain back-pressure incident issue filed 2026-09-22; not a disposition of this one.
This incident's fingerprint was split from its siblings by two values the incident normaliser did not mask — the delivery id and a single-segment destination in the line's
oldest leg in flight … — dispatch → <address> (delivery <id>)field — not by the episode stamp, which was already masked. Fixed in Systemorph/MeshWeaver.Plugins#2286 (merged 2026-09-22T21:46Z asb922f070fc): over the 146 back-pressure samples quoted in the open core issues (43 filed fingerprints), the identity now yields 3 (one per leg kind, plus the pre-#5151 wording). It reaches production with the portal roll; existing incidents re-address onto their successors throughLogIncidentCorpusMigration.What the crossing itself means is a separate question and is not answered by the fix above. A line reading high
waiting for a pool slotwithrouting pool subscribing 0is legs the ThreadPool had not yet run (the pool's cap is 256 and no permit is held — see #5261 (comment)); that starvation root is being investigated separately (family: #5018, #4886). A line with a non-zerodeepest per-channel queueon acache/…destination and an old oldest leg is #5009's falsifier and should be raised there.Disposition stays with triage: a symptom gauge can invert the causal arrow, so this issue's own sample may carry evidence its siblings do not.