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Space Suggestion: Direct limit of finite-dimensional Euclidean spaces #1738
Description
Space Suggestion
Let
Equivalently, the set
Equivalently,
(Also sometimes defined as a topological vector space / abelian group with coproduct notation
Notes on the above
We should discuss which terminology to use. Page 4 of Spanier's book, which might be dated now, uses the coinduced terminology. Final Topology on Wikipedia has some synonyms. Direct limits / colimits are a general concept. Lundell's The Topology of CW Complexes uses the weak topology terminology; see page 2 and Theorem 2.4 on page 47 . Paul Frost has two posts discussing the terminology of "weak topology"; post1 and the longer post2, which includes a more intricate looking description. On page 523, Hatcher uses the word "generated" for this concept (i.e., A topological space
The second definition more or less corresponds exactly to what Husemoller calls the
Milnor-Stasheff has the following blurb on page 63:
It is customary in algebraic topology to call this the "weak topology," a weak topology being one with many open sets. This usage is unfortunate since analysts use the term weak topology with precisely the opposite meaning. On the other hand the terms "fine topology" or "large topology" or "Whitehead topology" are certainly acceptable.
Rationale
This space came up while we were working on the box product
The space
References to this space
Defined in Milnor-Stasheff on pages 62-63, as "direct limit of the sequence
Husemoller clearly presents this space and related ones under Definition 1.1 on page 2.
Sakai briefly mentions
Has some mentions in Hatcher, but the definition is not very formal; I think Example 0.5 is the definition. It's tangentially involved in Example 1B.3 on page 88. Example 4.53 on page 381 discusses Stiefel and Grassmann manifolds. And there are some other appearances.
Listed in the Wikipedia article 'Fréchet–Urysohn space' under the subsection Direct limit of finite-dimensional Euclidean spaces.
Appears briefly in Munkres. It's in exercise 7 on page 118, exercise 5 on page 127, exercise 8(b) on page 128, and exercise 3(c) on page 275.
.. to be continued. I'm sure there are other good references.
Relationship to other spaces and properties
I came up with a list of some easy traits, without attempting to be non-redundant (pastable into Dan's tool, explained after):
P199
P87
P30
P67
P140
P56
~P23
P79
~P80
P17
~P204
P26
P223
P111
Embeds as a path component in Countable box product of reals S107.
- Some of these properties may be more direct without introducing CW complex language for now, since pi-base doesn't have this concept.
Every compact subset of
The Wikipedia entry says
Constructing a piecewise defined path shows
The
Other useful stuff
Sakai's Proposition 2.8.3 has the useful fact that if
Remarks
Some negative hereditary Countable box product of reals S107 traits might need to be moved over if they're also negative for
Activity
prabau commentedon Apr 14, 2026
Hope the initial PR will not be too big. But really nice to have.
For the main name, what do you think of$\mathbb R^\infty$ of Euclidean spaces $\mathbb R^n$ "
"Direct limit
The notion of direct limit (which is in fact a directed colimit) is well defined and not ambiguous, afaik. So that seems a good name to me. In the text we can give a few equivalent characterizations as well.
prabau commentedon Apr 14, 2026
I don't think we even need to mention "weak topology" here. As Paul Frost's post2 illustrates, that terminology has changed over the years and can be confusing. This is also reflected in the confusion shown in the answers and comments to this post.
GeoffreySangston commentedon Apr 16, 2026
@prabau I've written up a first draft of the definitions in the branch direct-limit-Rn-part1. Since we don't want any PR to get too large, I could open a PR just for the property file and with no traits. However, I also thought it might make sense to wait for real TVS #1743 to go through so that we could at least assert one strong trait. Another reason for this is that I was thinking it would be reasonable to include another equivalent definition. Something like the following:
P238 is the property number I have currently chosen for real TVS.
GeoffreySangston commentedon May 1, 2026
@felixpernegger Any comments now that CW complex is done? I'm going to submit a PR soon.
felixpernegger commentedon May 1, 2026
not really sorry
yhx-12243 commentedon May 1, 2026
The first version of CW complex is merged just hours ago.
Anyway, this space is a good catch that there exists CW complex that is not Frechet-Urysohn.