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Identical Property/Space Merging/Distinguishment #910

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Similar for merging of homeomorphic spaces, I suppose to suggest merge two identical properties (i.e., both $A \implies B$ and $B \implies A$ can be deduced), because pi-base have aliases for properties and we can write equivalent definition in descripton.

For example, Completely regular and Uniformizable are in P12 now due to 52bcd9d.

Here is a list of identical properties which can be deduced by pi-base:

Here is a list of $A \implies B$ but there are no counterexample for $B \implies A$:


Similarly, for spaces, here is a list of pair of pi-base-indistinguishable spaces:

  • S23 (Arens–Fort Space) and S96 (Appert space) (completely pi-base-indistinguishable1)
  • S66 (Double origin plane) and S73 (Simplified arens square)
    (would distinguish by P200 (Simply connected))
  • S116 (Infinite broom) and S119 (Nested angles in the real plane) (completely pi-base-indistinguishable)

Footnotes

  1. Means all traits of these two spaces (except that cannot decide in ZFC, etc.) are completed and they are same to both two spaces. ↩

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  1. prabau commented on Nov 13, 2024

    @prabau
    Collaborator

    FYI, we discussed Markov Menger and sigma-relatively compact in the past, and decided to keep them separate. Our reasoning was: they are very different phrased properties, which a priori have nothing to do with each other. It seemed more instructive to keep them separate, with theorems showing the equivalence.

  2. StevenClontz commented on Nov 13, 2024

    @StevenClontz
    Member

    It's worth comparing with P152 where both a direct "topologically countable" and game-theoretic "Markov Rothberger" are given as aliases for the same (equivalent) property.

    Note also that some implications like P157=>P156 might involve set-theoretic shenanigans, as P156 means Player One lacks a winning strategy for a game, and P157 means Player Two has a winning strategy, and these games can be indetermined due to the Axiom of Choice.

  3. Moniker1998 commented on Dec 9, 2024

    @Moniker1998
    Collaborator

    P6 (T3.5) $\iff$ P61 (Cozero complemented) is not true since if $D$ is uncountable and discrete, then $\beta D$ is cozero complemented but $\beta D\times \beta D$ is not
    I'll try to see if there exist examples already on pi-base, though

  4. Moniker1998 commented on Dec 9, 2024

    @Moniker1998
    Collaborator

    #1049 provides counter-example for P6 $\implies$ P61

  5. changed the title [-]Identical Property Merging[/-] [+]Identical Property/Space Merging/Distinguishment[/+] on Dec 30, 2024
  6. felixpernegger commented on Mar 19, 2026

    @felixpernegger
    Collaborator

    Note that S23 (Arens-Fort space) and S96 (Appert space) are not homeomorphic (which is not easy to see):
    https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/5124885/are-the-appert-space-and-arens-fort-space-homeomorphic

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