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#2371 left the outbound role of the descriptor-wide end-of-run cache_invalidate_range as a concrete obstacle: the operation is dc civac, so it cleans as well as invalidates, and the merged investigation could only say "possibly the clean half". This replaces those rows with per-field writer-to-reader facts across a2a3/a5 × TRB/HBG including a5 host_build_graph resident and legacy.

Docs only: the merged investigation plus its one-line index summary. No new standalone narrative, no runtime change, no test, build or probe.

Baseline, pinned separately

The audit section pins ad4bf20db, later than the 31da0560e baseline the rest of the entry uses, because its extent figures depend on a change that postdates it. Its code references and extent belong to that newer commit alone, and the document now says so — the earlier chain investigation is not re-read under the newer layout.

What the audit establishes

Six distinct descriptor members are device-written, in four writer groups (workers[i].task appears twice, written by two different producers). Everything else is host-written, so the clean has nothing of theirs to publish.

Three groups are excluded as the clean's beneficiaries, each with a named dependency:

group why the clean is excluded
AICore-written physical_core_id, core_type, aicore_done the AICore's own dcci(…, SINGLE_CACHE_LINE, CACHELINE_OUT) publishes them
a5 HBG resident hand-off task, aicpu_ready its own cache_flush_range (dc cvac) + wmb()
scheduler-written workers[i].task the EXITED acknowledgment: the AICore writes COND = AICORE_EXITED_VALUE (:128, :215) only after its task read at aicore_executor.cpp:104, and the AICPU polls COND for EXITED before deinit. Not every COND write qualifies — the initial AICORE_IDLE_VALUE report at :97 precedes the read. Normal exits only

The a2a3 teardown gate is NOT excluded — correcting this PR's first version

The earlier draft claimed a universal exclusion for every on-device reader. That was wrong for teardown_gates[i].post_close_release, and the claim is withdrawn.

The store loop at platform_regs.cpp:149 is followed immediately by return rc;. The AICPU receives no acknowledgment that the AICore consumed the gate, and it cannot observe that read at all — the AICore's return is visible to the host via stream completion, not to the AICPU. So this interleaving is permitted:

AICPU: store RELEASE  →  AICPU: deinit's dc civac  →  AICore: gate read succeeds

Two arguments that look like they order it, and do not:

  • EXITED precedes the release store, not the gate read. The quiesce pass waits for COND == AICORE_EXITED_VALUE before closing windows and storing RELEASE; that orders the store, and says nothing about when the subsequent GM read happens.
  • A bypass load is not a substitute for publication. ld_dev reads memory rather than the reader's cache, so the writer's value still has to reach that memory. Bypassing proves the reader will not see its own stale line; it does not prove the writer needed no flush.

So the clean remains a candidate publisher for this one field. This is not a claim that it is required, and no race is asserted — only that the control flow does not rule it out.

Exceptional and partial exits are audited separately rather than covered by the normal-path argument: a core that never ACKs EXITED gets no RELEASE at all (rc = -1, reported through released, handed to host recovery), so its gate read cannot succeed and the question there is recovery, not publication. a5 has no gate member on TRB and does not use gates on HBG, so the row is a2a3-only.

Readers positioned after the clean

Two, both host D2H reads of workers[]: print_handshake_results (device_runner_base.cpp:1008), called from drain_execution after reap_run (a2a3 device_runner.cpp:445, a5 :641), consumed only by LOG_DEBUG; and run_retention_probe (run_retention_probe.cpp:60), reachable only via simpler_probe_run_retention (c_api_shared.cpp:1284), a fixture entry, reading aicore_done which the AICore already flushed.

So no functional host-side consumer was identified — which, given the gate row, does not amount to "the clean has no consumer". The earlier "no functional consumer" verdict is withdrawn.

Unresolved, and distinguished from absent

The reader statements name the searched aliases (dev.workers, get_workers(), all_handshakes, handshakes, my_hank, handshake, get_teardown_gates(), dev.teardown_gates) across AICPU, AICore, platform and host trees for both arches and runtimes, plus the two D2H sites. Three residuals stay open:

  1. Whether the clean is the gate's publisher on a2a3.
  2. Whether workers[i].task's unflushed store reaches memory for the AICore at all — separable from the clean there, but still the AICPU→AICore edge the host↔device premise does not cover.
  3. Whether the host's D2H read of AICPU-written task requires the clean on A3 — the opposite direction from the inbound edge the premise addresses.

What this licenses

Nothing. Three exclusions narrow the question; the gate row keeps it open. No operation changed, no defect or race claimed, and the uncertainty at the release-gate boundary is retained rather than resolved in either direction. The user's premise is preserved unchanged, with no extension to A2 or on-device edges.

One supporting fact: a5 TRB performs no descriptor-wide clean while carrying the same host debug reader — evidence about a5 only.

Testing

  • markdownlint-cli2 with the repo config — 0 errors on both files
  • All cited code anchors re-verified at this head, including the absence of any acknowledgment after the RELEASE store, and that AICORE_IDLE_VALUE (:97) precedes the task read while EXITED follows it
  • [n/a] No build, test, simulator, onboard or benchmark — docs-only

Relates to #2254.

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The investigation now audits the end-of-run dc civac clean, rules it out as the publisher for on-device readers, narrows host-read analysis, and records two unresolved visibility questions.

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Runtime descriptor audit

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Audit findings and obligations
docs/investigations/2026-09-runtime-descriptor-input-visibility-chain.md
The investigation updates its verdict and obligations. It adds an outbound audit for four device-written fields, identifies their publication mechanisms and readers, narrows post-clean host reads, and records two unresolved questions.
Investigation index update
docs/investigations/README.md
The index records the outbound audit, residual questions, upload-prefix and clean-span difference, and individual obligations for future changes.

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The documentation can mislead future cache-coherency changes by presenting an unresolved publication path as settled and by misstating the audited field inventory. Correct these audit conclusions before relying on the document for implementation decisions.

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In `@docs/investigations/2026-09-runtime-descriptor-input-visibility-chain.md`:
- Around line 417-453: Update the outbound AICPU→AICore publication discussion
to keep workers[i].task visibility unresolved: remove the claim that every
on-device reader has its own publication, and state that the end-of-run clean is
not the publisher. Preserve the unresolved AICPU-authored descriptor visibility
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Static review of head 7b11e9c (base ad4bf20): request changes on the outbound audit.

  1. The teardown gate does not establish the claimed reader-before-clean order. In a2a3 platform_regs.cpp:149 the AICPU stores post_close_release and returns; it does not receive an acknowledgment that AICore consumed that store. The AICore independently spins in wait_for_post_close_release (TRB aicore_executor.cpp:280; HBG:305), while AICPU can proceed to deinit and its descriptor-wide dc civac (TRB aicpu_executor.cpp:1037; HBG:455). A valid ordering is RELEASE store → AICPU clean → AICore's successful gate read. EXITED precedes this release gate, and closing the execution window does not prove that subsequent GM gate read happened. Therefore the clean cannot be ruled out as publisher for this field from the current control flow. A bypass reader still needs the writer's value to reach the memory it bypass-loads; bypass does not prove the absence of a needed writer clean. This is not a claim that the clean is required, only that the new universal exclusion/no-functional-consumer verdict is unsupported. Correct the matrix, verdict, residual questions, index and PR body consistently, preserving the useful field-specific conclusions with actual dependencies. Audit exceptional/partial exits separately instead of extending a normal task-completion argument to all exits.

  2. The four rows are not four fields: the table itself names physical_core_id, core_type, aicore_done, task, aicpu_ready and post_close_release (six distinct members). Use an accurate field set or explicitly label grouped rows. Also remove the claim that each has independent publication or bypass as a completed visibility proof: the plain task store remains an explicitly unresolved edge.

  3. The new extent claim is at the post-Stop uploading the device-initialized teardown gates #2370 baseline, while the document introduction still says all revisions share the unchanged original baseline. Pin this added audit to ad4bf20 (or the actual merged baseline used) and distinguish its code references/extent from the older chain investigation. Do not silently apply post-2370 layout to the old baseline.

Docs-only correction; no runtime change, tests/builds or manual CI reruns requested. No need to prove a hardware race or manufacture a replacement conclusion; retain the precise uncertainty at the release-gate boundary.

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Current-head follow-up at 23ff2cd: the gate-ordering blocker, member count and baseline issues are corrected in the document/index/body. The remaining task-publication obligation stays open, as requested.

One narrow wording correction: "every AICore COND write follows its task read" also includes the initial AICORE_IDLE_VALUE write, which occurs before the task read (a2a3 TRB aicore_executor.cpp around 97 vs 104). The needed argument concerns the later EXITED acknowledgment, not every COND write. Please name EXITED directly in the matrix/summary/index/body. This does not overturn the normal-exit dependency; it removes a false universal statement. No new investigation or test needed. Then finish responding to the existing feedback and resolve the two addressed inline threads.

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Addressed at 23ff2cdc5. I validated all three against source before changing anything, and all three hold.

1 — the gate exclusion was wrong, and it is withdrawn. platform_regs.cpp's RELEASE store loop is followed immediately by return rc; — no acknowledgment, and the AICPU has no way to observe that read at all, since the AICore's return is visible to the host through stream completion rather than to the AICPU. So store → AICPU clean → AICore gate read is permitted and the clean stays a candidate publisher for that field. The document now states both traps explicitly: EXITED orders the release store, not the subsequent GM read; and a bypass load only proves the reader will not see its own stale line, not that the writer needed no flush. No race is asserted in either direction.

Checking the other three groups against the same standard changed the shape of the result rather than just deleting a claim. Two are excluded on publication grounds — the AICore trio by its own CACHELINE_OUT, the a5 HBG hand-off by its own dc cvac. And workers[i].task is excluded on a named acknowledgment: every AICore COND write (EXITED :128/:215, ACK :228, FIN :243) follows its task read at aicore_executor.cpp:104, and the AICPU polls COND for EXITED before deinit. So the verdict is now per field — three excluded with a stated dependency each, the a2a3 gate not excluded — rather than universal.

Exceptional exits are audited separately as asked: an un-ACKed core gets no RELEASE at all (rc = -1, reported through released, handed to host recovery), so its gate read cannot succeed and the question there is recovery rather than publication. a5 has no gate member on TRB and does not use gates on HBG.

2 — six members, four writer groups. Corrected in the document and the index, with workers[i].task explicitly noted as appearing twice under two producers. I also removed the "each has its own publication or is read by bypass" summary, which treated bypass as a completed visibility proof and contradicted this entry's own residual on the plain task store.

3 — baseline pinned separately. The audit section now pins ad4bf20db and says its code references and extent figures belong to that commit alone. Verified the difference is real rather than cosmetic: at 31da0560e runtime_device_copy_size returned sizeof(DeviceRuntimeLaunchDesc) and the upload and clean spanned the same bytes; the offsetof(teardown_gates) form postdates it. The "Revision" header no longer claims all revisions share one baseline.

Verdict line, obligations table, unknowns table, index summary and PR body are all synchronized to the per-field result. Both CodeRabbit inline threads raised findings 1 and 2 independently and are satisfied by this head.

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The merged descriptor-visibility investigation credited `dc civac`'s clean half with a
possible outbound publication role and left it as an obstacle to interpreting the four
call sites. This replaces those speculative rows with writer-to-reader facts, read
from source across a2a3/a5 x TRB/HBG including a5 host_build_graph resident and legacy.

Everything not listed below is host-written, so the clean has nothing of theirs to
publish. For each writer group the audit records the members, the publication already
present, the on-device reader, and whether the clean is excluded as that reader's
publisher.

The audit pins its own baseline, later than the one the rest of the entry uses, because
its extent figures depend on a change that postdates it: the uploaded prefix now stops
before the gate tail, where at the older baseline the upload and the clean spanned the
same bytes. Its code references belong to the newer commit alone.

Six distinct members are device-written, in four writer groups. Three are excluded as
the clean's beneficiaries, each with a named dependency: the AICore-written trio by the
AICore's own CACHELINE_OUT flush, the a5 host_build_graph resident hand-off by its own
dc cvac, and workers[i].task by the EXITED acknowledgment - the AICore writes COND =
AICORE_EXITED_VALUE only after its task read, and the AICPU polls for EXITED before
deinit. Not every COND write qualifies: the initial AICORE_IDLE_VALUE report precedes
that read.

The a2a3 teardown gate is not excluded. The AICPU stores post_close_release and returns
with no acknowledgment that the AICore consumed it, and it cannot observe that read at
all, so store -> AICPU clean -> AICore gate read is a permitted interleaving. Two
arguments that look like they order this do not: EXITED precedes the release store
rather than the subsequent GM read, and a bypass load only proves the reader will not
see its own stale line, not that the writer needed no flush. The clean therefore stays a
candidate publisher for that one field. Exceptional exits are audited separately: an
un-ACKed core receives no RELEASE at all and goes to host recovery.

The only readers positioned after the clean are host D2H reads of workers[]:
print_handshake_results, called from drain_execution after reap_run, whose sole
consumer is LOG_DEBUG; and run_retention_probe, reachable only through the
simpler_probe_run_retention fixture entry and reading aicore_done, which the AICore
already flushed. So no functional host-side consumer was identified; given the gate row
above, that does not amount to the clean having no consumer.

One fact is recorded alongside: a5 tensormap_and_ringbuffer performs no
descriptor-wide clean while carrying the same host debug reader, which is evidence
about a5 only and says nothing about A3.

Absence of a reader is distinguished from an unresolved one. The searched aliases are
listed, and three residuals are named rather than closed: whether the clean is the
gate's publisher on a2a3; whether task's unflushed store reaches memory for the AICore
at all, which is separable from the clean there but is still the AICPU-to-AICore edge
the host/device premise does not cover; and whether the host's D2H read of
AICPU-written task requires the clean on A3, the opposite direction from the one the
premise addresses.

Nothing is licensed by this. Three exclusions narrow the question; the gate row keeps
it open, and "no functional host-side consumer was identified" is a statement about
consumers found rather than permission to delete the call. No operation is changed, no
defect or race is claimed, and the uncertainty at the release-gate boundary is retained
rather than resolved in either direction.

Relates to hw-native-sys#2254.

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Fixed at 3cd405872. Verified first: write_reg(RegId::COND, AICORE_IDLE_VALUE) sits at a2a3 TRB aicore_executor.cpp:97, ahead of the task read at :104, so "every AICore COND write follows its task read" was false as written — the universal is withdrawn.

The dependency itself is unchanged; it is just named correctly now. The matrix row reads: excluded on the EXITED acknowledgment — the AICore writes COND = AICORE_EXITED_VALUE (:128, :215) only after that read, and the AICPU polls COND for EXITED in its quiesce pass before deinit — followed by an explicit note that not every COND write qualifies, since the initial AICORE_IDLE_VALUE report precedes the read. I dropped ACK and FIN from the citation rather than keeping them: EXITED is the one the AICPU actually waits on, so listing the others invited the same over-generalisation.

Applied in all five places it appeared — the audit matrix, the three cross-references in the obligations and unknowns tables, the index summary, the PR body, and the commit message. Everything else is untouched: the gate stays not excluded with the clean as a candidate publisher, the six-members/four-groups count stands, and the audit keeps its own ad4bf20db baseline.

Both inline threads are resolved. Surfaces re-read just before this reply: 2 inline threads (both resolved), 5 review entries — one CodeRabbit review plus my two thread replies and CodeRabbit's two empty acknowledgements — and 4 conversation comments, of which two are mine. No unaddressed feedback remains.

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